This is a continuing… discussion of the original post. Here are some of the many responses that were posted. Those of the CC will do all they can… Even Deny History… in order to protect their religion. What the CC teaches and what the Bible teaches is as different as… ‘night & day’. Perhaps some thoughts? In the original post… some Bible verses and justification of statements; were posted. None of the responses… ‘Dealt Directly’… with those Bible verses except to try and… “Negate the Complete Authority of the Holy Word of God!”
*** (Matthew 24:35) The heaven and the earth shall pass away, but My Words shall not pass away.
*** (Proverbs 30:6) Do not add to His Words, lest He reprove you and you be found a Liar.
*** (2Peter 3:15-16) Think of our Lord's patience as salvation, just as our dear brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given him.
(2Pet 3:16) He speaks about this subject in all his letters. Some things in them are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort to their own destruction, as they do the rest of the Scriptures.
Response Example… “"Furthermore...I'd like to know, Roger, when you quote Peter and the Apostles...what Bible did they quote? I mean, you do realize that the Bible was not in existence during Peter's time, right? So...were all those who followed the Church prior to the Bible's existence wrong?”
This is where… those that have the CC Religion want to remain ‘ignorant’ [un-informed] of the Scriptures. They instead take the teaching of the CC… over what the Bible says. Once again the issue… “Believe God and His Holy Word”… =OR= …“Believe what the CC teaches?” Were there in fact… Scriptures… available for Believers to see…? What do… the Scriptures say…?
*** (Isaiah 8:20) To the Law and to the testimony! If they do not speak according to this Word, it is because no light is in them.
*** (Luke 16:31) And he said to him, If they do not hear Moses and the Prophets, they will not be persuaded, even though one rose from the dead.
*** (Acts 17:11) And these were more noble than those of Thessalonica, in that they received the Word with all readiness of mind and searched the Scriptures daily to see if those things were so.
It is plain to see… that the OT Scriptures were in use to Validate… the Preaching & Teaching… of the early church. How about the Epistles and Gospels written before the founding of any organized Church. Do the Scriptures speak about these… that the early church used to Validate what they have been taught by the Apostles…?
*** (Acts 8:29-30) Then the Spirit said to Philip, Go near and join yourself to this chariot.
(Acts 8:30) And Philip ran there to him and heard him read the prophet Isaiah, and said, Do you indeed understand what you are reading?
*** (1Thessalonians 5:27) I charge you by the Lord that this letter be read to all the holy brothers.
*** (Acts 15:30) So when they were dismissed, they came to Antioch: and when they had gathered the multitude together, they delivered the epistle:
*** (Romans 16:22) I, Tertius, who wrote this epistle, greet you in the Lord.
http://truth459.blogspot.com/2010/07/bible-plus-nothing-101blog.html
Once again… Who do you believe… “God’s Word” or what the “CC” teaches you…? Martin Luther nailed his 93 Thesis to the door of Wittenberg Castle. He and other thought the ages… have taken the Scriptures and ‘refuted’ Catholic teaching. Need I speak of the ‘many martyrs’ who were ‘Executed’ by the CC… for speaking the Scriptures. Even “Galileo”… was put on house arrest for his scientific studies. “Jan Hus”… who was first to translate the Scriptures into English; so that the common man could understand them… was burned at the Stake! The Scriptures speak of such False Teaching as the Catholics…!
*** (2Peter 2:1-2) But there were also false prophets among the people, even as there will be false teachers among you, who secretly will bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing on themselves swift destruction.
(2Pet 2:2) And many will follow their pernicious ways, and because of them the way of truth will be evil spoken of.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jan_Hus
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_affair
Obviously, to the “Honest Researcher”… the Truth is evident. Once again there is “NO” Specific Church or Denomination… that Christ Jesus endorsed. His body of True Believers… are Born Again… by His Holy Spirit. Simply remember… “Denominations = are Man Made”… “NOT God Made!” Ruled by men… ‘without submitting’… to the Authority of God and His Holy Word! Those that defend the CC… as I did when I was a ‘Spiritually Blind Catholic’… will always fight to protect that Lie…!
*** (Ephesians 1:7-to-14) In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of His grace,
(Eph 1:8) which He caused to abound toward us in all wisdom and understanding;
(Eph 1:9) having made known to us the mystery of His will, according to His good pleasure which He purposed in Himself,
(Eph 1:10) for an administration of the fullness of times, to head up all things in Christ, both the things in Heaven, and the things on earth, even in Him,
(Eph 1:11) in whom also we have been chosen to an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of Him who works all things according to the counsel of His own will,
(Eph 1:12) for us to be to the praise of His glory, who previously had trusted in Christ;
(Eph 1:13) in whom also you, hearing the Word of Truth, the gospel of our salvation, in whom also believing, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise,
(Eph 1:14) who is the earnest of our inheritance, to the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory.
*** (Luke 17:21) Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, = the kingdom of God is = within you.
*** (Romans 8:9) But you are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone = has not = the Spirit of Christ, = he is = none = of His.
*** (1Corinthians 2:11-to-14) Is there anyone who can understand his own thoughts except by his own inner spirit? In the same way, no one can know the thoughts of God except God's Spirit.
(1Cor 2:12) Now, we have not received the spirit of the world but the Spirit who comes from God, so that we can understand the things that were freely given to us by God.
(1Cor 2:13) We don't speak about these things in words taught us by human wisdom, but in words taught by the Spirit, as we explain spiritual things to spiritual people.
(1Cor 2:14) A person who isn't spiritual doesn't accept the things of God's Spirit, for they are nonsense to him. He can't understand them because they are spiritually evaluated.
“ONLY”… and again the Scriptures Say… “ONLY”… when one is Born Again, Born from above by “God’s Holy Spirit”… can they ‘Then’… begin to understand the Scriptures! Before that, the Scriptures are… “FOOLISHNESS”… to them. That person is blinded by Satan and they don’t even realize it. ‘Religion’ always does that, making the person wrongly think that they can… earn favor with God… by keeping the teachings of their Church! Say it isn’t SO…? Jesus paid it ALL! That is why Salvation is the “Gift of God”… ‘Not of Works’… so that “No ONE”… can ‘Brag’ what they did… For GOD!
*** (John 7:38-39) He who believes on Me, as the Scripture has said, "Out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water."
(John 7:39) But He spoke this about the Spirit, which they who believed on Him should receive; for the Holy Spirit was not yet given, because Jesus was not yet glorified.
*** (2Corinthians 4:3-4-5) But also if our gospel is hidden, it is hidden to those being lost,
(2Cor 4:4) in whom the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelieving ones, so that the light of the glorious gospel of Christ (who is the image of God) should not dawn on them.
(2Cor 4:5) For we do not preach ourselves, but Christ Jesus as Lord, and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake.
*** (Ephesians 2:8-9-10) For by grace you are saved through faith, and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God,
(Eph 2:9) not of works, lest anyone should boast.
(Eph 2:10) For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to good works, which God has before ordained that we should walk in them.
*** (Romans 11:6) But if by grace, then it is no more of works; otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it is of works, then it is no more of grace; otherwise work is no more work.
*** (Romans 4:3-4-5) For what does the Scripture say? "Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness."
(Rom 4:4) Now to someone who works, wages are not considered a gift but an obligation.
(Rom 4:5) However, to someone who does not work, but simply believes in the one who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited as righteousness.
*** (Titus 3:3-to-7) For we ourselves also were once foolish, disobedient, deceived, slaving for various lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, hateful, hating one another.
(Tit 3:4) But when the kindness and love of God our Savior toward man appeared,
(Tit 3:5) not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit,
(Tit 3:6) whom He poured out on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior,
(Tit 3:7) that being justified by His grace, we should become heirs according to the hope of eternal life.
About now… you are probably overwhelmed. If you are willing to believe God and His Holy “Word”… all you have to do is… “Ask HIM”… if this is ‘True’…? Without considering your religion… will you simply… “ASK GOD”…?
Simple Prayer…
Father God, I have had religion all my life and believed that it was true. I am in doubt about religion and about the Truth of your Word. I am now… willing to trust You and Your Word! I am a helpless sinner and am trusting… ‘The best I know how’… that Jesus died and rose again for my justification and salvation. Show me ‘Your Truth’… I ask this in Jesus Name and for Your Glory, Amen & Amen…!
Name: ___________________ Date:________________
*** (Romans 10:9-to-13) Because if you confess the Lord Jesus, and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you shall be saved.
(Rom 10:10) For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth one confesses unto salvation.
(Rom 10:11) For the Scripture says, "Everyone believing on Him shall not be put to shame."
(Rom 10:12) For there is no difference both of Jew and of Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich to all who call on Him.
(Rom 10:13) For everyone, "whoever shall call on the name of the Lord will be saved."
Thank, In Christ, Roger.
Ende…!
